it was in glasbury-on-wye (wales), school trip, two teams, driven out of the house we were staying, i was in team no. 2, we were given the assignment to read maps... team no. 1 got dropped off at a shorter distance to the house we accommodated... my team was dropped further afield... getting out of the mini-bus i got the map... and just asked 'where are we, on the map?' 'here,' said the driver's index finger. i figured out a shortcut, via the fields, the forest, via cow grazing patches... we beat team no. 1... but the moral of the story? i still think you need to be greek, i.e. you still have to "believe" the earth is flat... a flat earth makes sense with directions like east, west, south, north... i cruised the team to an early victory rotating the map in my hands... i wasn't being ignorant... i wasn't being competitive... but to be honest i had one thing in mind... copernican east? copernican west? huh?! how can you work that one out? i know copernicus was right to stress the earliest signs of an anti-heliocentric way of seeing, but if there's no lucifer looking at a 2 dimensional map of the earth... geocentric improvements don't really help to just argue rather than get from a. to b.; what good is geocentric copernican east to my flat plateau need to co-ordinate a group of people? heliocentric copernican east is geocentric east, west, north south put together, given the earth's orbit and the expanding universe... geocentric my ***... i had to turn into a inverse heliocentricity... i had to navigate on a readable flat plateau, moving the map one way up one way the other... and we got there... beat the other team... didn't push any cows onto the pasture... so that's how lucifer read the map.