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sister's a smoker brother says **** mommy doesn't listen and daddy gets mean when he's drunk but we're the perfect family to them all because they can't see the family behind the mask of who we pretend to be the yelling, the fighting it always turns out the same maybe i'm the ******* problem because it's always this way
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Jun 13, 2025
Jun 13, 2025 at 8:35 PM UTC
family
you can't call me fat then start crying cause I don't want to play Uno with you
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Mar 26, 2025
Mar 26, 2025 at 9:37 AM UTC
pov: your narcissitic family member is the little sibling
do they care? of course they do do they act like they care? ... mostly does it feel like they care? not really
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Dec 26, 2024
Dec 26, 2024 at 9:24 PM UTC
mixed signals
"YOUR GRADES ARE SLIPPING               WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU"                             there are people in my grade that would **** for a C                                                                           an A- is not that bad "I KNOW YOU CAN RUN FASTER     YOU'RE JUST NOT TRYING"                                                                     this is the fastest I can run                                                          i'm sorry you're dissappointed "YOU'RE EATING AGAIN                   SLOW DOWN BIGGIE"                                                                             it's just a granola bar                                                I haven't eaten anything else all day "NOBODY LIKES YOU                   N O B O D Y"                                                                                                           ... it's fine it's all fine i'll fix it all don't you worry                                                                                                     Mom                I promise no assignments will have less then 100 ever again                                                                                           every 100%                                                                                  every smiley face                                                                                 every "good job!"                  will be written on the paper with the blood from my wrists                                                                                                       Dad                                                                          I promise i'll run faster                                                                          i'll run until I throw up                                                                                                          no                                                                                             even better                                                                                       until I pass out                                                                                                   Meena                                                           I promise to stop eating so much                                               matter fact i'll just stop eating altogether                                                                           and I won't start again              not until you can clearly see my ribs poking through my skin                                                                                                 and Lali                                                                                               I promise                                                         once I make everyone else happy                                                                               i'll make you happy                                                                                      by ending it all
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Dec 25, 2024
Dec 25, 2024 at 10:54 PM UTC
I love my family
"YOUR GRADES ARE SLIPPING               WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU"                             there are people in my grade that would **** for a C                                                                           an A- is not that bad "I KNOW YOU CAN RUN FASTER     YOU'RE JUST NOT TRYING"                                                                     this is the fastest I can run                                                          i'm sorry you're dissappointed "YOU'RE EATING AGAIN                   SLOW DOWN BIGGIE"                                                                             it's just a granola bar                                                I haven't eaten anything else all day "NOBODY LIKES YOU                   N O B O D Y"                                                                                                           ... it's fine it's all fine i'll fix it all don't you worry                                                                                                     Mom                I promise no assignments will have less then 100 ever again                                                                                           every 100%                                                                                  every smiley face                                                                                 every "good job!"                  will be written on the paper with the blood from my wrists                                                                                                       Dad                                                                          I promise i'll run faster                                                                          i'll run until I throw up                                                                                                          no                                                                                             even better                                                                                       until I pass out                                                                                                   Meena                                                           I promise to stop eating so much                                               matter fact i'll just stop eating altogether                                                                           and I won't start again              not until you can clearly see my ribs poking through my skin                                                                                                 and Lali                                                                                               I promise                                                         once I make everyone else happy                                                                               i'll make you happy                                                                                      by ending it all
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Amidst my pain, I'm a machine A vessel for everyone's endless whine A call the mother makes, her voice so clear Monique's illness, her own despair She pours it all our without a care My agony cast aside like usual As I'd my suffering is but a ride I'm a dispenser of sympathy A shoulder to cry on endlessly But where can I find my own release In this one-sided exchange, I find no peace Her words flow freely like a rivers tide But mine are pushed aside I'm but a vessel, a tool to be used My own needs and feelings utterly refused Oh mother, why are you so selfish to not hear my scream The pain in my voice, that I carry deep inside I'm not a machine, I'm flesh and bone With feelings that you seem to disown So here I am, a HUMAN VENDING MACHINE Dispensing empathy
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Nov 9, 2024
Nov 9, 2024 at 6:28 AM UTC
Human Vending Machine
i’m not a daughter i’m a trigger i’m not person i’m a gun every problem i make bigger reminds me i 𝘢𝘮 one i’m not a daughter i’m a trigger i’m the stain on your white blouse and everybody, everybody knows i am the darkness in this house.
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Aug 2, 2023
Aug 2, 2023 at 12:53 PM UTC
daughter // trigger
wish i was them. a decent family, maybe i would be better then. i blame my parents for everything. why was i born, why was i crying about everything.
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Dec 15, 2020
Dec 15, 2020 at 1:06 AM UTC
Untitled
1998, I came to the world A sweet little girl That later would be the opposite But I was still so talented Playing guitar and piano Like my father did I was holding his hand Until I was 9 and moved to another land My dreams and hopes were left behind I couldn’t see a future I was totally blind And I began to grow and cry often And when I turned thirteen I was so lost My skin couldn’t no more stay clean Bleeding like a horror movie in the screen I started running away I had no more reasons to stay I was only there to cause problems My nights became days And my nights became helpless I know it sounds selfish But I just didn’t have I didn’t have any reason to keep fighting And I’m the same self-destructive behavior I kept spinning When I was 18, I moved to my father’s house I couldn’t even handle my own thoughts My memories from I was 14 were little dots I was living stuck with my voices Hurting myself And being enable to make my own choices I only wish I could have made my family proud But I couldn’t stand in my own feet When I was already nineteen A simple task I couldn’t complete I wish I had made you happy But I will always need help when myself I have to defeat I should have been doing better now Get over my mom And make my daddy proud And I hope someday I will Somehow
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Feb 25, 2020
Feb 25, 2020 at 5:49 PM UTC
Helpless
I am a warrior Bold and brave Master of an art of blade I am a warrior My armor is breaking It hurts...I can't see How?! It...It can't be?! My armor is breaking. Why it feels so hot? Am...Am I loosing my sight?! Why?! Why isn't there any light?! Why it feels so hot? I'm falling... I can't see a **** thing... I can't feel anything... I'm failing...
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Jan 3, 2019
Jan 3, 2019 at 12:54 PM UTC
Falling Apart
There are times that I wish I was dead there are times when I ask god why did he make me. Was it just to make me cry every night. Make my own mother hate and blame me. Well then maybe I should let her **** me maybe I should run way maybe I disappear for goodness sake then someone said to me i know you hurt but you don’t how strong you really are so listen just listen -Mia I looked into my father’s eyes and saw the hatred...when he said I was no longer his son I pulled knife to my neck and said “devil have me” but god said wait don’t you let him take you away from me don’t you let him have my child just wait and listen -Nick I heard my mother cries saying she was sorry that she couldn’t afford the life we deserve. She was sorry that my father wasn’t around. She was sorry that my sister, her daughter might be stuck in a wheel chair for life. So I got down on my knees begged god to save me please and he said your greatness is coming my child just wait and listen -Lorenzo I heard the whispers that was a b*****d child, that my mother slept with married man. I heard the rumors that i wasn’t gonna go anywhere that I was just gonna end up like her a desperate soul. And that’s when I lost control. My mother died as I laid in her arms 16 & pregnant I was mad at the world but god was telling me to listen. Just wait and listen not to them but to me your greatness is coming your greatness is now -Camille He died in my arms blood everywhere, my mother left, my father was in Jail i was left by myself had this gun in my hand put it to head ready to pull the trigger but god said wait you have purpose open your ears and listen. He said boy don’t you do it don’t let the devil make you into something your not don’t let his demons break you like this. Just listen -Malik
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Oct 28, 2018
Oct 28, 2018 at 6:27 AM UTC
Listen Just Listen...
There are times that I wish I was dead there are times when I ask god why did he make me. Was it just to make me cry every night. Make my own mother hate and blame me. Well then maybe I should let her **** me maybe I should run way maybe I disappear for goodness sake then someone said to me i know you hurt but you don’t how strong you really are so listen just listen -Mia I looked into my father’s eyes and saw the hatred...when he said I was no longer his son I pulled knife to my neck and said “devil have me” but god said wait don’t you let him take you away from me don’t you let him have my child just wait and listen -Nick I heard my mother cries saying she was sorry that she couldn’t afford the life we deserve. She was sorry that my father wasn’t around. She was sorry that my sister, her daughter might be stuck in a wheel chair for life. So I got down on my knees begged god to save me please and he said your greatness is coming my child just wait and listen -Lorenzo I heard the whispers that was a b*****d child, that my mother slept with married man. I heard the rumors that i wasn’t gonna go anywhere that I was just gonna end up like her a desperate soul. And that’s when I lost control. My mother died as I laid in her arms 16 & pregnant I was mad at the world but god was telling me to listen. Just wait and listen not to them but to me your greatness is coming your greatness is now -Camille He died in my arms blood everywhere, my mother left, my father was in Jail i was left by myself had this gun in my hand put it to head ready to pull the trigger but god said wait you have purpose open your ears and listen. He said boy don’t you do it don’t let the devil make you into something your not don’t let his demons break you like this. Just listen -Malik
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Writing, for me, is an escape. An escape from the hatred that surrounds me. An escape from the people who want to hurt me. An escape from the people who send attackers after me. An escape from the people who use others to get at me. An escape from the darkness that lives within me. An escape from the darkness that lives in you.
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Sep 25, 2018
Sep 25, 2018 at 3:26 AM UTC
My escape
I found my glasses today Under a coat of dust At a friend’s house A year after I lost them I like what I see I put them on I feel normal again Clark Kent would be proud These lenses take the heat off my vision I look like a normal guy I feel normal I can play video games Talk about super heroes And girls And when I leave I go home to arm chairs and arms full of charity I should mention I live at a friend’s house Three squares, my own room and a koi pond outside It’s a hotel here You see, I found family last month Understanding At a friend’s house A week after I lost it I didn’t know how I got there I left Dad’s due to abuse Mom kicked me out to refuse truth And now they both pay each other money As I walked down a rainy street without shoes My friend’s family And I’m grafted in God should hate me I’m a self-orphaned child Soon to be a self-made man I killed family But I’m grafted in Washington never cut down his father’s cherry tree But I’m standing next to splinters From the axe I didn’t swing Should have, could have Would have had I had half the brain I have now Now I feel like a normal guy Who’s never thought about ****** Who never had parent issues? Who never had help when they needed it? Who feels normal?
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Aug 2, 2018
Aug 2, 2018 at 1:02 PM UTC
Glasses, Glasses
Napakadaya nang buhay,Kanya-kanyang palusot para tumakas at maglakbay Nagsinungaling ang tadhana ganun nga ba ang dahilan kung bakit sarado ang bintana Tunog lang ang iyong naririnig , dahil hindi mo pedeng husgaan ang nasa loob ng kanyang bibig Nagtataka ka dahil wala kang ebidensya sa mga narinig , Subalit umaatake padin ang mga daga sa dibdib Nanginginig , dahil di ka sigurado sa tono , tama nga siguro ang hinala ko Nakakalungkot lang isipin sarili nating kaibigan,kamag-anak,kapatid Ay nagsisinungaling upang makamit ang kasiyahang dapat talagang ilihim Ang daya naman dito , gusto ko nalang tumakas dito at ipunas ang mga luha ko na hindi mo makikita dahil nakatago sa dilim Balang araw dudungaw nalang ako sa isang butas na gawa sa abaka, At tatakasan ang ilusyong mundo at maglakbay sa reyalidad
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Feb 19, 2018
Feb 19, 2018 at 12:53 PM UTC
Ah Baka ? Bintana
I am from whisk. From Mr.Clean and Odoban. I am from my locked closet (dark). I am from my mom's attempted fruit trees (they always die), a palm tree in front of my room’s window, I always wanted to climb out my window and escape by climbing down it. I’m from protein shakes and Alex being addicted to Alex Clare so he bought a hat similar to Alex Clare's hat From Chip (hates his real name “douglas”) and Alex (not alexander) I’m from my mom's breeding of dogs/ entrepreneur/ planners and my dad's travelling for work/playing drums/being a jokester, From “Oh honey, your back looks okay, but your stomach…” and “Do you want to die of cancer?” I’m from my best friend telling me “You embody light and love” With making earrings And always crying alone I’m from another reason why I’m closest to my dad and unidentifiable. Lamb and french fries. From Zyler breaking his pinky toe by dropping a large rock on his foot To Zyler plugging his ears whenever Alex or dad sings, or plugging his ears when he hears music he doesn’t like and/or want to listen to at that time Our childhood/baby year memories are kept in boxes with our names on them in the office, We have baby books that go up to about 1 ½ to 2 years old, Facebook I am The uninvited third wheel tagging along on a date
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Jan 30, 2018
Jan 30, 2018 at 8:54 PM UTC
Am I?
strangers gathered around a table talking and laughing smiling at each other like they have a secret an inside joke a bond they are surrounding me the cheerful mood is intoxicating makes me feel as if everything will be okay the mirage shatters the illusion disappears I do not belong here I have never belonged here I have always been on the outside looking in I often catch myself wanting and wishing to be in to feel at peace and happy is all I have ever wanted to be included but I will always be on the outside of everything and never truly belong
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Dec 24, 2017
Dec 24, 2017 at 5:05 PM UTC
holiday season
She’s got stars in her eyes But not the good kind, no, The kind she hides behind her smile She laughs and jokes, of course, But she’s a little off today I can see it It’s in the slump of her shoulders When no one’s looking, And the way she stares into the distance When there’s a pause in the conversation I wish she wouldn’t I wish she was as happy as she says she is, When I know she’s not She’s got the blues today Her parents don’t help This morning when she got out of the car She had to put up that wall To make everything seem alright When it’s really not She’s got stars in her eyes, But not the good kind, no, The kind i would take away in an instant if I could If only I could.
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Nov 3, 2017
Nov 3, 2017 at 1:53 PM UTC
Stars in Her Eyes
What if I do this What if I do that What if I take too much time What if I wish I didn't do that . What if I was stuck at the wheel with a gun to my back . What if I could count all the stars What if I didn't screenshot all the pictures we took at the park . What if I didn't do this What if I didn't do that Will you ever have my back??
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Jun 3, 2016
Jun 3, 2016 at 2:58 AM UTC
What if...
on your very first birthday, you will hear many things you will not be able to decipher them yet but they will echo in your ear until you go to sleep, you will hear about how big you've grown and how beautiful you are or how beautiful you're going to be and the highlight of your day will be when finally you get to cut into that delicious chocolate cake that your aunt made you and you will run around the yard and laugh as you trip endlessly and the big kids won't play with you but that's okay because you're one and you don't really understand that strange feeling in your heart when they say that you're too little to join in on their game of tag and everything is so confusing because your grandmother said that you were a big girl now but somehow you are not big enough and you won't be for awhile but you don't really care because in that moment you are one and everything is an adventure for you; from the wet grass in the backyard to the weird kisses your older brother and the girl across the street exchange but that just makes everything ten times more interesting and you are still protesting even though it is futile that you don't want to go to bed and even though you are still forced to go to bed earlier than you want, you are happy because today you turned one years old and you are big enough to cut the cake with some help from your mom but still too small to play tag with the big kids and the concept is confusing but exhilarating and you cannot wait for the next day and as your breathing becomes more even you succumb to the dark and fall asleep and everything is okay because you are one and you do not know yet that when you are five your mother will stop making time for you or that when you are ten everyone will stop caring about your existence and that when you are thirteen the boy in your school that you really really like will tell you that you are ugly and everyone else will follow and when you get to be seventeen you will be so desperate to leave this misery called life that you will try and force yourself to go into a different type of sleep, the more permanent kind and your father will say you're being an attention ***** and your mother will start to wonder where she went wrong and your older brother won't care because he won't find out that you are depressed or sad until the day of your funeral, when you are nineteen and finally asleep, although this time; you don't try to fight it instead you go willingly and succumb to the darkness much like you did when you were younger and unaware that life is not a great adventure, it is more like a never ending hell that will make you wish that you were one (h.l.)
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Jul 6, 2015
Jul 6, 2015 at 10:02 PM UTC
one
on your very first birthday, you will hear many things you will not be able to decipher them yet but they will echo in your ear until you go to sleep, you will hear about how big you've grown and how beautiful you are or how beautiful you're going to be and the highlight of your day will be when finally you get to cut into that delicious chocolate cake that your aunt made you and you will run around the yard and laugh as you trip endlessly and the big kids won't play with you but that's okay because you're one and you don't really understand that strange feeling in your heart when they say that you're too little to join in on their game of tag and everything is so confusing because your grandmother said that you were a big girl now but somehow you are not big enough and you won't be for awhile but you don't really care because in that moment you are one and everything is an adventure for you; from the wet grass in the backyard to the weird kisses your older brother and the girl across the street exchange but that just makes everything ten times more interesting and you are still protesting even though it is futile that you don't want to go to bed and even though you are still forced to go to bed earlier than you want, you are happy because today you turned one years old and you are big enough to cut the cake with some help from your mom but still too small to play tag with the big kids and the concept is confusing but exhilarating and you cannot wait for the next day and as your breathing becomes more even you succumb to the dark and fall asleep and everything is okay because you are one and you do not know yet that when you are five your mother will stop making time for you or that when you are ten everyone will stop caring about your existence and that when you are thirteen the boy in your school that you really really like will tell you that you are ugly and everyone else will follow and when you get to be seventeen you will be so desperate to leave this misery called life that you will try and force yourself to go into a different type of sleep, the more permanent kind and your father will say you're being an attention ***** and your mother will start to wonder where she went wrong and your older brother won't care because he won't find out that you are depressed or sad until the day of your funeral, when you are nineteen and finally asleep, although this time; you don't try to fight it instead you go willingly and succumb to the darkness much like you did when you were younger and unaware that life is not a great adventure, it is more like a never ending hell that will make you wish that you were one (h.l.)
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Habang hawak-hawak mo ang kanyang kamay 'San man kayo magpunta Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako Na nalulunod sa pangungulila Nang ako'y iyong binitiwan? Habang kayakap mo siya Sa gabing maginaw Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako Na naghihintay sa'yo Mag-isa, nanlalamig At sa init ng 'yong yakap ay uhaw? Habang hinahalikan mo Ang kanyang mapupulang labi Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako Na halos matuyo na ang labi Sa kasasambit ng pangalan mo? Habang binubulong mo sa kanya Kung gaano mo siya kamahal Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako, Narinig mo ako? Sumisigaw na "Mahal na Mahal kita!" Habang pinagmamasdan mo Ang kanyang matamis na ngiti Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako, Nakita mo ako, nakita mo Kung gaano na karaming patak ng luha Ang naidilig ko sa lupa? At sa kung siya ay umiiyak at iyong pinatatahan Habang pinupunasan mo Ang kanyang mga luha Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako, Naisipan mo man lang ba? Na itigil ang paulit-ulit Na pagsaksak mo sa puso kong Dumudgo sa kaiibig sayo? Pero alam ko Na may kasalan din ako Kasi.... Kailan ma'y di ko naisip Na sa higpit ng yakap ko'y nasasakal ka na pala Kailan ma'y di ko naisip Na kahit gaano kalawak ang bahay nati'y Nasisikipan parin ang iyong dibdib At hindi kana nakakahinga Kailan ma'y di ko naisip Na kahit napagalitan ka sa opisina, sabik ka sana sa paguwi Pero ang dadatnan mo lang ay isang malawak na bahay Na mayroong isang "ako" na puro dada at reklamo lang At ang iyong naririnig mula sa aking bibig na tila daig pa ang isang rapper sa bilis at walang paltos na panlalait Kailan ma'y di ko naisip 'di ko inisip ang iyong opinyon Kasi palagi nalang ako, ako, ako Ako ang tama Kailan ma'y di ko naisip Habang ika'y umuuwing pagod Dinuduro pa rin kita At ito'y tumatagos na sa puso mo Hanggang sa sinabi **** tama na, Hindi mo na kaya, Ayaw mo na At yun umalis kana, iniwan mo na ako Pero heto ako ngayon sa harapan mo... Nagtatanong Kung mahal mo pa ba ako? At kung ang iyong sagot ay hindi na'y Heto ako ngayon sa harapan mo... Nagbabakasakali Na may pag-asa pang mahalin mo ako ulit At kung wala na ay Heto ako ngayon Sa harapan mo Lumuluhod Nagmamakaawa Na balikan mo ako Balikan mo ako Balikan mo kami Pakiusap umuwi ka na Sa malawak na bahay Na bahay mo, na bahay ko Umuwi ka na, kahit 'di para sa'kin Kun'di para sa mga anak mo, na anak ko Para sa pamilyang ito Parang awa mo na Bumalik ka na Kasi sa malawak na bahay Naroon ako, at ang mga anak mo Nangungulila... at Naghihintay Sa pagbalik mo **
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Jun 2, 2015
Jun 2, 2015 at 5:10 AM UTC
Kailan Ba'y, Kailan Ma'y (Tagalog)
Habang hawak-hawak mo ang kanyang kamay 'San man kayo magpunta Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako Na nalulunod sa pangungulila Nang ako'y iyong binitiwan? Habang kayakap mo siya Sa gabing maginaw Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako Na naghihintay sa'yo Mag-isa, nanlalamig At sa init ng 'yong yakap ay uhaw? Habang hinahalikan mo Ang kanyang mapupulang labi Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako Na halos matuyo na ang labi Sa kasasambit ng pangalan mo? Habang binubulong mo sa kanya Kung gaano mo siya kamahal Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako, Narinig mo ako? Sumisigaw na "Mahal na Mahal kita!" Habang pinagmamasdan mo Ang kanyang matamis na ngiti Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako, Nakita mo ako, nakita mo Kung gaano na karaming patak ng luha Ang naidilig ko sa lupa? At sa kung siya ay umiiyak at iyong pinatatahan Habang pinupunasan mo Ang kanyang mga luha Kailan ba'y naisip mo ako, Naisipan mo man lang ba? Na itigil ang paulit-ulit Na pagsaksak mo sa puso kong Dumudgo sa kaiibig sayo? Pero alam ko Na may kasalan din ako Kasi.... Kailan ma'y di ko naisip Na sa higpit ng yakap ko'y nasasakal ka na pala Kailan ma'y di ko naisip Na kahit gaano kalawak ang bahay nati'y Nasisikipan parin ang iyong dibdib At hindi kana nakakahinga Kailan ma'y di ko naisip Na kahit napagalitan ka sa opisina, sabik ka sana sa paguwi Pero ang dadatnan mo lang ay isang malawak na bahay Na mayroong isang "ako" na puro dada at reklamo lang At ang iyong naririnig mula sa aking bibig na tila daig pa ang isang rapper sa bilis at walang paltos na panlalait Kailan ma'y di ko naisip 'di ko inisip ang iyong opinyon Kasi palagi nalang ako, ako, ako Ako ang tama Kailan ma'y di ko naisip Habang ika'y umuuwing pagod Dinuduro pa rin kita At ito'y tumatagos na sa puso mo Hanggang sa sinabi **** tama na, Hindi mo na kaya, Ayaw mo na At yun umalis kana, iniwan mo na ako Pero heto ako ngayon sa harapan mo... Nagtatanong Kung mahal mo pa ba ako? At kung ang iyong sagot ay hindi na'y Heto ako ngayon sa harapan mo... Nagbabakasakali Na may pag-asa pang mahalin mo ako ulit At kung wala na ay Heto ako ngayon Sa harapan mo Lumuluhod Nagmamakaawa Na balikan mo ako Balikan mo ako Balikan mo kami Pakiusap umuwi ka na Sa malawak na bahay Na bahay mo, na bahay ko Umuwi ka na, kahit 'di para sa'kin Kun'di para sa mga anak mo, na anak ko Para sa pamilyang ito Parang awa mo na Bumalik ka na Kasi sa malawak na bahay Naroon ako, at ang mga anak mo Nangungulila... at Naghihintay Sa pagbalik mo **
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"do you have anything to say to me?" *why don't you love me? why aren't i good enough for you? what did i do to you? why did you abandon me? you've never actually loved me like you loved him was there ever a time i didn't disappoint you? i wish i didn't need you but i do i love you i wish you knew how much you mean to me why do you want to fix me so **** badly? sometimes i feel like a stranger in this house i know you regret me i regret me i don't know if i can forgive you i hope i can will i ever feel like when i was eight when you'd give me piggy-back rides and smiles? i miss you i'm sorry i'm not the daughter you want, nor will i probably ever be why don't you ever let me explain myself? why is everything my fault? will this barrier between us ever break?* "no." (h.l.)
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May 30, 2015
May 30, 2015 at 8:10 PM UTC
from daughter to mother